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                  VOLUME 1 TIMELY GREETINGS NO. 3  

          QUESTION AND ANSWER DISCUSSION PART 1



































Vol. 1  Timely Greetings  Nos. 3, 4


THE ONLY PEACE OF MIND


Volume 1

Numbers 3, 4



Copyright, 1953 Reprint

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V.T. HOUTEFF



QUESTION AND ANSWER DISCUSSION

(Part I)


QUESTION AND ANSWER DISCUSSION

(Part II)



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OPENING PRAYER THOUGHT


  This afternoon our prayer thought is found on pages 149, 150 of The Mount of Blessing.  We shall read the first four paragraphs.  These are based on the scripture, "Be not therefore anxious for the morrow...sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."


  M.B., pp. 149, 150 -- "If you have given yourself to God, to do His work, you have no need to be anxious for tomorrow.... When we take into our hands the management of things with which we have to do, and depend upon our own wisdom for success, we are taking a burden which God has not given us.... We may well have anxiety, and anticipate danger and loss; for it is certain to befall us.  But when we really believe that God loves us, and means to do us good, we shall cease to worry about the future.  We shall trust God as a child trusts a loving parent.  Then our troubles and torments will disappear; for our will is swallowed up in the will of God.


  "Christ has given us no promise of help in bearing to-day the burdens of to-morrow.... One day alone is ours, and during this day we are to live for God.  For this one day we are to place in the hand of Christ, in solemn service, all our purposes and plans, casting all our care upon Him, for He careth for us.  'I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.'  '...in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength.' "


  Let us pray for an abiding realization that God has promised help in bearing our burdens, not of tomorrow, but of today; pray that we each day place in His hands all our purposes and plans, all our cares and anxieties.  Then only can we rest in the assurance that in "quietness and in confidence" shall be our strength.


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QUESTION AND ANSWER DISCUSSION

(Part I)


TEXT OF ADDRESS BY V.T. HOUTEFF,

MINISTER OF DAVIDIAN 7TH-DAY ADVENTISTS

SABBATH, AUGUST 17, 1946

MT. CARMEL CHAPEL

WACO, TEXAS


  Several of you have come to me lately with some questions apparently very important to you.  For this reason we shall devote the study hour this afternoon to answering them.


  I shall now read the question: "Are we, Brother Houteff, less worthy to ordain among us


The Lord's Supper?"


  Let us see.  Just before instituting the ordinance of humility, Jesus said to His disciples, "Ye are clean, but not all."  One was not.  In spite of the fact that Judas was unworthy, the ordinance could not longer have been put off.  Albeit as soon as he had partaken of the sacrament, he arose, went out, and did his devilish work.  Afterward his eyes were opened to the crime he had committed, and he hanged himself.  The other disciples, though, were as ready, or as worthy for the sacred service as they could have been up to that time.


  The Lord's Supper was ordained in remembrance of the Lord's sacrifice, not to cleanse the partakers of it from their sins but to cleanse them from sinners, as is seen from the Passover in Egypt and from the fact that thereafter Judas no longer walked with


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the disciples.  Plainly, then, the celebration of the ordinance brought blessing to the eleven, but damnation to the one.


  There have been a number of reform movements among us before and in our time.  Of course, they all ordained the Lord's Supper in their midst.  But it did not profit them.  It did not make them or their work lasting and eternal.  As a matter of fact, they went out of existence even faster than they came in.  Now let us read from --


1 Cor. 11:17, 18 -- "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.  For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it."


  The Corinthians were having controversies, causing divisions among themselves, and so their getting together in church was "not for the better," but for the worse.


  If we meet together only for the "worse," is it not far better to stay at home?


1 Cor. 11:27-30 -- "Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.  But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.  For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.  For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."


  The Lord's bread and cup are to be taken by a people only after they have examined themselves, and


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have seen to it that they are not causing trouble; that their meeting together is for the better, not for the "worse."  Now, if we have reached that standard of righteousness, then we should by all means ordain the Lord's Supper among us.  But if we have not come to that point as yet, then our instituting the ordinance of humility among ourselves would only be to our own damnation, not to our salvation.


  Our chief duty right now is not to urge the observance of the Lord's Supper, but rather first to come up to the standard of perfection which the message of today, along with the message of yesterday urges.  The Lord never calls for "revival and reformation" when the church is enjoying good spiritual life.  The Lord's Supper, therefore, is never to be ordained at the beginning of such a revival and reformation, but at its completion.  Jesus did not institute the ordinance at the beginning of His ministry, but did so at its close.


  And if we would avoid causing divisions among ourselves, we should never discuss the sins of others, nor pass judgment on them.  If we cannot right the matter privately with the ones at fault, then we had better either discuss it with no one or else follow the instruction given in


Matt. 18:16, 17 -- "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican."


  We cannot lead the Lord.  He is to lead us.  We of ourselves never know what is right and what is wrong


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unless we are told.  Easy enough, if we do whatever we are told to do, no more and no less, we shall be accounted worthy.  So far, our God-sent message has not brought to our attention the ordination of the Lord's Supper, but it is pleading with us to depart from the abominations, to cast aside all our idols, to put away all our private ideas and opinions, to wholeheartedly return to the Lord.


  The message, moreover, teaches that we should remain in the mother church and work strictly for her salvation.  The conclusion then is that as long as we stay with her, there seems to be no need for ordaining the Lord's Supper privately among ourselves, perhaps not before the hour comes for the penitent to be separated from the impenitent, as taught by the types -- by the Passover in Egypt, and by the Passover on the night when Judas was to go out, never again to walk with the twelve.


  Furthermore, no one seems to know when and how to observe the sacrament.  Some observe it every Sunday or every Sabbath, some occasionally, some every quarter and so on.  It seems logical to say that when God commands us to ordain it anew He will tell us also how and when to observe it properly.


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  Several have said to me, "Brother Houteff, when we meet those who oppose us, we do not know how to answer their questions.  We become confused.  We do not know whether we are right or whether we are wrong.  They mainly confuse us on the 'Rod's' interpretation of the


Trumpets And The Seals."


  Those of you who are having to answer controverted questions, just say to your opponents: One of us is wrong for sure.  We cannot both be right, to say the


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least, and so let us carefully and impartially look into the subject.


  I would tell them that we teach the Trumpets just as John saw them in vision.  For example, The Revelation says, "And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.  And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.  By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.  For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt." Rev. 9:16-19.


  This is the descriptive picture which the Revelator gives us of the 200,000,000, horses and horsemen.  The following objectification is as close to John's description of the horses and horsemen as we can make it, and our interpretation of them is accordingly.  See Tract No. 5, "Final Warning."